Goaltending Options

[Al14]

What if Bernier comes into his own next year?  I dunno why, maybe resonating magically with Zaitsev ....

If Bernier gets off to a great start next year, even if he has a really good full season, how comfortable would you be giving him a big money extension on the back of one really good season in his walk year?

Well, that's the crux of my question ... I wouldn't.  I don't know what I would take to make my want to sign him long-term.  I guess only if they went deep in the playoffs on his back.

I'm not sure I would ever trust signing him long term, even if he takes the team deep in the playoffs.  I've coached Bantam and Midget level goalies that would never have let in some of the bad goals he's let in since becoming a Leaf.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'd give Enroth a call if he'd take the same type of contract he did with LA.

He had decent numbers, but wanted to play more, he might be a found wallet.

 

[Al14]

I'd give Enroth a call if he'd take the same type of contract he did with LA.

He had decent numbers, but wanted to play more, he might be a found wallet.

Yes, he had decent numbers in LA this past season, however, he didn't have great numbers in Buffalo or Dallas.  I'd pass on him until we can find a better option.

 

[Bullfrog]

Where is it anticipated that Kaskisuo will play? Could he possibly be the back-up or would he be better served in the AHL with more starts ?

 

[Al14]

Where is it anticipated that Kaskisuo will play? Could he possibly be the back-up or would he be better served in the AHL with more starts ?

Seeing as he's already played for the Marlies, that's where he'll likely play next season.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I have a passing interest in Zatkoff.

They make a pill for that.

Wait, isn't Zatkoff the pill? I'm so confused.

I should probably see a doctor.

I picked him largely because LA drafted him, and they keep drafting Stanley Cup finalist goalies, and the Penguins picked him up after, and they tend to know what they're doing with goalies.

In other news:
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I'm not sure what's on the y-axis, but I assume it's some measure of player goodness.

Zatkoff on Kessel...

 

[herman]

Zatkoff on Kessel...

I like this guy.

 

[Bates]

I don't think you will find anyone who actually watches the Coyotes who thinks Smith is an option for a team looking to upgrade their goalie.  It's not that Smith has one bad year but rather that he has a big contract for a goalie who has ever only had one good year.  Don't bother posting stats as I have already seen them and know that he has been outplayed every year of his contract by his cheaper backup.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I go with Sparky and Bibeau as my Tank co-commanders next year. Bernier stays with the Marlies and takes the team to the Calder final.

 

[slapshot]

I might be inclined (as you mentioned in another post) towards Cam Ward, if he's healthy, on a one-year deal (maybe two at right money), as back-up or someone to push Bernier. That would buy a bit of time to sort things out. Figure out which off all these young forwards make their way into the Leafs line-up or could be used in a trade for a goalie.

 

[Redleaf]

I might be inclined (as you mentioned in another post) towards Cam Ward, if he's healthy, on a one-year deal (maybe two at right money), as back-up or someone to push Bernier. That would buy a bit of time to sort things out. Figure out which off all these young forwards make their way into the Leafs line-up or could be used in a trade for a goalie.

I guess that depends on what direction you think they will ultimately take next season. Cam Ward would get them more wins I would think. But if they don't make an offer to Stamkos, you would have to think they are still trying to finish somewhere near the bottom again? We really don't know at this point.

Thats why the draft and July 1st are such important dates to circle on the calendar for us fans. What this team does and doesn't do on those dates should give us a ultra clear picture of the direction ahead.

It'll be kind of like when they fixed the lens on the Hubble telescope. We are going to see deep into the dark and distant Shanaplan in Ultra-Def clarity for the 1st time!  8)

 

[herman]

I might be inclined (as you mentioned in another post) towards Cam Ward, if he's healthy, on a one-year deal (maybe two at right money), as back-up or someone to push Bernier. That would buy a bit of time to sort things out. Figure out which off all these young forwards make their way into the Leafs line-up or could be used in a trade for a goalie.

I guess that depends on what direction you think they will ultimately take next season. Cam Ward would get them more wins I would think. But if they don't make an offer to Stamkos, you would have to think they are still trying to finish somewhere near the bottom again? We really don't know at this point.

Thats why the draft and July 1st are such important dates to circle on the calendar for us fans. What this team does and doesn't do on those dates should give us a ultra clear picture of the direction ahead.

It'll be kind of like when they fixed the lens on the Hubble telescope. We are going to see deep into the dark and distant Shanaplan in Ultra-Def clarity for the 1st time!  8)

Ward is likely off the table now.

Agreed, RedLeaf. With Lou's loose-lips policy, their actions are the only insight we have into this Management Team's mind. Sometimes, other team's decisions stymie ours though, and sometimes there are additional motivations that are initially hidden (Nylander's appendix, Stalock's family) that will only clear up later.

 

[Al14]

I might be inclined (as you mentioned in another post) towards Cam Ward, if he's healthy, on a one-year deal (maybe two at right money), as back-up or someone to push Bernier. That would buy a bit of time to sort things out. Figure out which off all these young forwards make their way into the Leafs line-up or could be used in a trade for a goalie.

I guess that depends on what direction you think they will ultimately take next season. Cam Ward would get them more wins I would think. But if they don't make an offer to Stamkos, you would have to think they are still trying to finish somewhere near the bottom again? We really don't know at this point.

Thats why the draft and July 1st are such important dates to circle on the calendar for us fans. What this team does and doesn't do on those dates should give us a ultra clear picture of the direction ahead.

It'll be kind of like when they fixed the lens on the Hubble telescope. We are going to see deep into the dark and distant Shanaplan in Ultra-Def clarity for the 1st time!  8)

Ward is likely off the table now.

Agreed, RedLeaf. With Lou's loose-lips policy, their actions are the only insight we have into this Management Team's mind. Sometimes, other team's decisions stymie ours though, and sometimes there are additional motivations that are initially hidden (Nylander's appendix, Stalock's family) that will only clear up later.

There's always the possibility of a sign and trade deal occurring.

 

[Kin]

There's always the possibility of a sign and trade deal occurring.

Sign and trade deals aren't deals where a player signs with a team and then is traded away without their consent. There really isn't a possibility of a deal like that happening because a team who did it would be murdering their ability to effectively negotiate with free agents.

 

[Al14]

There's always the possibility of a sign and trade deal occurring.

Sign and trade deals aren't deals where a player signs with a team and then is traded away without their consent. There really isn't a possibility of a deal like that happening because a team who did it would be murdering their ability to effectively negotiate with free agents.

I don't think that's necessarily always true.  Teams can sometime sign a player with the good intention of keeping them when they receive an offer for that player they can't refuse.

Some teams, I believe, are sometimes open to having a player signed by their old team prior to acquiring said player. 

It may be bad example of this, but, the Hossa for Heatley trade comes to mind.  Here's a quote from an old CBC Sports article: 'The Heatley-Hossa deal came just hours after the Senators avoided salary arbitration with Hossa by signing the star forward to an $18-million US, three-year deal'.

So, AFAIC, Ward can still be traded.  I'm not sure if he has a no-trade clause in his new deal.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm not sure if he has a no-trade clause in his new deal.

He has a limited one - there are 15 teams he'd have to approve a trade to.

 

[Kin]

It may be bad example of this, but, the Hossa for Heatley trade comes to mind.  Here's a quote from an old CBC Sports article: 'The Heatley-Hossa deal came just hours after the Senators avoided salary arbitration with Hossa by signing the star forward to an $18-million US, three-year deal'.

It is a bad example because Hossa wasn't a pending UFA. Signing his new deal didn't fundamentally alter the Senators ability to trade him. Here you'd be inducing a pending UFA to sign with you then trading him, depriving him of the chance to actually choose where to play. You'd never sign another free agent.

 

[Al14]

It may be bad example of this, but, the Hossa for Heatley trade comes to mind.  Here's a quote from an old CBC Sports article: 'The Heatley-Hossa deal came just hours after the Senators avoided salary arbitration with Hossa by signing the star forward to an $18-million US, three-year deal'.

It is a bad example because Hossa wasn't a pending UFA. Signing his new deal didn't fundamentally alter the Senators ability to trade him. Here you'd be inducing a pending UFA to sign with you then trading him, depriving him of the chance to actually choose where to play. You'd never sign another free agent.

I disagree, all it takes to sign free agents is money.  If a UFA is afraid that a team attempting to sign him will turn around and trade him, all he has to do is include a No Movement Clause in his contract.

Sure, a team can get a bad rep for doing a sign and trade deal behind the players back, however, I think players will always listen to offers where there's a lot of money on the table.  Teams that are on the verge of taking a run at a cup, that are located in a good market, will always be able to sign players despite any established bad reputation with regrards to their treatment of players.  JMHO. 

 

[Kin]

I disagree, all it takes to sign free agents is money.  If a UFA is afraid that a team attempting to sign him will turn around and trade him, all he has to do is include a No Movement Clause in his contract.

Right, so all a team would have to do is give any free agent they wanted a NMC.

Again, it would kill their ability to negotiate. There's a reason you can't think of any actual examples. They don't happen.

 

[Frank E]

AFAIC