Leafs Draft 21st Overall - Overall Draft Order

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

We need to follow the plan that most successful teams do... you keep Gardiner, let him emerge and become what he can be, bring up Rielly when the time is right and let him develop.. if Rielly outplays Gardiner over a large enough body of work to say he really is the better player, THEN you move him. 

I know they are similar type players, but why can't we keep both?

Gunnar - Dion
Percy - Gardiner
Finn - Reilly

;D

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Rielly for Monahan would make sense. Move one high-end prospect for another because he fits more of an organizational need. I could get on board with that.

I wouldn't touch that. Rielly's potential is higher.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

There seems to be a lot of discussion about Bo Horvat from the London Knights being a possibility at #21.  Anyone know much about him?

I think that discussion ended a couple of months ago. His play late in the season and in the playoffs/Memorial Cup will probably mean he's gone by 15.

 

[lamajama]

Rielly for Monahan would make sense. Move one high-end prospect for another because he fits more of an organizational need. I could get on board with that.

I wouldn't touch that. Rielly's potential is higher.

Yep - remember he was #1 overall. 

 

[Redleaf]

The last time the Leafs picked 21st they selected Rask. Lets hope for more of the same, except, well, for that other part.

I say lets go for broke and trade for a top 3 pick. I would trade Reimer  a first round pick , a roster player and a top prospect for a shot at Mckinnon. Then try to sign Mike Smith of Phoenix. Mckinnon is possible generational talent that doesn't along very often.

Wow.

 

[Redleaf]

We need to follow the plan that most successful teams do... you keep Gardiner, let him emerge and become what he can be, bring up Rielly when the time is right and let him develop.. if Rielly outplays Gardiner over a large enough body of work to say he really is the better player, THEN you move him. 

I know they are similar type players, but why can't we keep both?

Gunnar - Dion
Percy - Gardiner
Finn - Reilly

;D

Franson would have to be part of that mix too.

 

[Jalili]

Rielly for Monahan would make sense. Move one high-end prospect for another because he fits more of an organizational need. I could get on board with that.

I wouldn't touch that. Rielly's potential is higher.

Probably; they're roughly similar though.

 

[Bender]

Rielly for Monahan would make sense. Move one high-end prospect for another because he fits more of an organizational need. I could get on board with that.

I wouldn't touch that. Rielly's potential is higher.

Yep - remember he was #1 overall. 

Brian Burke actually said this to Bettman as soon as he went to the podium.

 

[GFK27]

Cox wrote a piece yesterday about the Leafs moving up in the draft to take Sean Monahan.  And how would they do that, you ask?  Of course!  Jake Gardiner!

Beyond nutty.  IF, and that's a big IF, Gardiner is moved, it beter be, has to be, must be for a legitimate, bonafide young NHL blue chipper.  Not the reasonably high-percentage crapshoot that is the first round of the NHL draft.

Feschuk's article today is way, way worse.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

I saw excerpts of Feschuk's article where someone already tore it apart.  Honestly the media in this town constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to having any sort of knowledge or credibility when it comes to hockey moves.

Article: "Trade Kessel!!!1"

*Nonis trades Kessel*

Next Article: "Leafs lack legit 1st line scoring option now that they have traded Kessel."

Article: "Draft is coming up. Leafs should trade best young player for a pick so they can draft this kid I just read about this morning."

:

I'll openly admit I was incredulous: I didn't think Phil Kessel would ever become more than a scoring winger with big holes in other parts of his game.  But really, the last 25 games of the season - when it mattered most - Kessel emerged as a borderline Superstar and, with little doubt, one of the top 10-12 forwards in the league. 

My tune has changed.  Sign this guy to a max term deal, give him the $7M+ he deserves, and judisiously bring in as much talent as you can to compliment him (and a few others).  He's a cornerstone, entering the prime of his career, and continuing to show growth across his game.  He'll likely never be Pavel Datsyuk complete, but he should be the foundation of the team for the next 8 years.

I saw Phil's game improve not long he was chosen last in the draft in the nhl all star game. Sometime' s humility can be good thing. After that I noticed he gave an extra effort on plays

 

[KW Sluggo]

The last time the Leafs picked 21st they selected Rask. Lets hope for more of the same, except, well, for that other part.

I say lets go for broke and trade for a top 3 pick. I would trade Reimer  a first round pick , a roster player and a top prospect for a shot at Mckinnon. Then try to sign Mike Smith of Phoenix. Mckinnon is possible generational talent that doesn't along very often.

IF I went that way (and please note the big IF) I would then take a stab at Luongo in a separate deal but only if I could get him cheap. He is an upgrade and it is only his contract that is the drawback. Ideally the Canucks buy him out but barring that if we were to trade Reimer we need a decent goalie (and not Fleury).

 

[mr grieves]

The last time the Leafs picked 21st they selected Rask. Lets hope for more of the same, except, well, for that other part.

I say lets go for broke and trade for a top 3 pick. I would trade Reimer  a first round pick , a roster player and a top prospect for a shot at Mckinnon. Then try to sign Mike Smith of Phoenix. Mckinnon is possible generational talent that doesn't along very often.

IF I went that way (and please note the big IF) I would then take a stab at Luongo in a separate deal but only if I could get him cheap. He is an upgrade and it is only his contract that is the drawback. Ideally the Canucks buy him out but barring that if we were to trade Reimer we need a decent goalie (and not Fleury).

Well, if it cost what it likely would to get Mckinnon, it's nice to know Lou's contract means he'll be around when the rebuild the OP proposes to start is done.

 

[bustaheims]

Word on HNIC is that Calgary offered all 3 of their 1st round picks to Colorado for the 1st overall pick and were rebuffed, and that none of the teams in the top 4 are particularly open to moving out of the top 4. So, barring some sort of miracle or ridiculous deal, the Leafs will not be trading that far up in the 1st round.

 

[dappleganger]

Word on HNIC is that Calgary offered all 3 of their 1st round picks to Colorado for the 1st overall pick and were rebuffed, and that none of the teams in the top 4 are particularly open to moving out of the top 4. So, barring some sort of miracle or ridiculous deal, the Leafs will not be trading that far up in the 1st round.

Yeah, but Nonis is working on it, right?

 

[Zee]

Word on HNIC is that Calgary offered all 3 of their 1st round picks to Colorado for the 1st overall pick and were rebuffed, and that none of the teams in the top 4 are particularly open to moving out of the top 4. So, barring some sort of miracle or ridiculous deal, the Leafs will not be trading that far up in the 1st round.

You left out the fear factor of Nonis threatening to break some bones.

 

[Jalili]

Apparently Colorado is leaning towards taking a forward, will likely pass on Seth Jones.

 

[Corn Flake]

Apparently Colorado is leaning towards taking a forward, will likely pass on Seth Jones.

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic

 

[Champ Kind]

Apparently Colorado is leaning towards taking a forward, will likely pass on Seth Jones.

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic

This has got to be some sort of tactic because of the assumption that Jones would be taken first.  Maybe there is some truth to the Avs looking to trade the first pick.

 

[Kin]

Seems like a strange thing to announce even if you know it's true. I mean, if you really wanted your first choice of forwards but had the #1 pick wouldn't you at least feign that you hadn't made up your mind to see and explore if the #2 team wanted Jones?

 

[Corn Flake]

So McKinnon goes 1st overall. I'm not surprised. He is a phenomenal player and I'm glad he's going out west to be honest. IMO a smart move by the Avs to not take Jones, based on history of d-men taken 1st overall not living up to expectations. 

Jones at #2 is pretty likely and makes sense for organizational need in FLA too. 

 

[Jalili]

It's interesting, because on one hand you wonder why the Avs would reveal their hand a couple weeks in advance.

But when you consider that Jones is already the runaway favourite among Avs fans, it does make sense to break the news to them a few weeks in advance rather than have a fanbase that's shocked and disappointed on draft day when the Avs pick someone else.

It could just be a PR move.