Luke Schenn Traded to Flyers for JVR!!!

[Rebel_1812]

What's really alarming about this whole thing is that Burke actually added salary, and somehow we're one of the worst teams in the league with very little room to maneuver under the cap.

According to Gapgeek, we have just under $13 million left with 17 players (11 forwards, 5 defense, 1 goalie) signed.  If you estimate a total of $7 million for Kuleman, Frattin, Komarov, Franson and Holzer to fill out the roster of skaters, that still leaves $6 million for another goalie and/or to upgrade some positions. 

I am surprised that it has not been noted that the JVR contract that takes effect July 1 runs for six years.  To the best of my knowledge, this is the longest contract Burke has ever signed or traded for.

Then some of the players I brought up will be moved or sent to the minors.

 

[rdowdall]

Really though, JVR is one of the best offensive prospects in the league right now, and we got him for a guy I think everyone was cursing this past year.

That's just it.. Schenn was trending towards probably not reaching top four potential.. maaaaybe being a #4 guy if he could consistently play at the best he had played in his 4 years here... and maybe a 20 point d-man... and in turn the Leafs get the big power forward winger they have been trying to land for 2+ years now who has 30 goal potential written all over him. 

Try to propose this trade without knowing what we knew 2 months ago the laughter would have filled up 10 boards. 

Now that Duchene has signed a deal, maybe the Leafs can go out and get Paul Stastny now. Then we have a top six.

Hmmmmm.... with JVR on board it feels like Stastny would make a touch more sense than it did 2 days ago.

Howard Berger tweeted that Burke may open up discussions with Colorado about trading for him.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Howard Berger tweeted that Burke may open up discussions with Colorado about trading for him.

This would be nice...

 

[slapshot]

What's really alarming about this whole thing is that Burke actually added salary, and somehow we're one of the worst teams in the league with very little room to maneuver under the cap.

$12 million in cap space according to Cap Geek, not too shabby. Plus the Leafs have a lot of flexibility after this year. The should come out of this season and the new CBA in great shape.

 

[Britishbulldog]

well armstrongs contract should be due soon.  Connolly's is up next year.  I think Komi should have his due soon as well.  This is a problem that will solve itself if you wait long enough.

It won't though. For every soon to be expiring player with a bad contract there's a young player due a raise. Burke's really done a poor job of managing the cap.

This is the biggest issue of not building through the draft.  Those 3 rookie years seem to really help balance the salaries.

 

[Britishbulldog]

After taking some time to think about the trade I like it more and more.  Let's take potential out of the equation because JVR has it too.  Schenn is currently a 5-6 defencemen on our team.  He is big, plays physical and makes mistakes defensively.  We have another defencemen just like that in Komi.  You have 2 of the same type of players on a crowded defence corps, you move one to make room.  Trading Komi would not get anything of value, and Schenn yielded great return.  We didn't lose much presently, because Komi can do everything schenn does.  We free up a spot for Franson or another defencemen.  It makes perfect sense.

If your going to say Schenn had the potential to be better.  Well so does Komi, he was a top pairing guy with MTL, that is why he got the big contract.  There is still a chance he can find his game.  Also as I said JVR has great potential too.

After thinking about it like that; it is a great trade.

I agree with this.  Both Schenn and Komi have great attitudes, both can play physical and neither fight well.  Why have both.  After Schenn was signed to that huge contract the difference between the 2 players was even less.

Here's hoping that Carlyle can get Komi to settle down and play closer to how he played in Montreal.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

One thing is for certain; Erndog is not Eklund.

 

[Brian Glennie]

Toronto is in Philly on Oct. 27th and along with a Leaf win I'll be hoping that one, if not both, of the Schenns lay a beating on Phaneuf.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's a really really strange thing to hope for.

 

[Brian Glennie]

That the Leafs will win?

 

[freer]

I like the trade. I did not see Luke getting better here. I wish him luck.
Why everyone want Paul Stasney. I thought we all wanted Canadian players, or so it sounded like that.
I hope we trade for Nash. just saying

 

[jonlleafs]

For those who think that he cannot be one of our centermen, you should check out these highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvphe_Jbs4s

He's got some nice creativity and passing skills.  I can just see Kessel notching 40-50 goals with passes like the ones in the video.  Some passes are just phenomenal.  And while he isn't a banger, he definitely uses his size to control the puck or to keep it away from the defender.  I think we see JVR explode in points with top 6 minutes and PP time.

 

[Kin]

For those who think that he cannot be one of our centermen, you should check out these highlights:

I think you're being very generous there. Those are not the highlights of a particularly gifted playmaker.

 

[Corn Flake]

What's really alarming about this whole thing is that Burke actually added salary, and somehow we're one of the worst teams in the league with very little room to maneuver under the cap.

$12 million in cap space according to Cap Geek, not too shabby. Plus the Leafs have a lot of flexibility after this year. The should come out of this season and the new CBA in great shape.

Leafs have as much or more cap room than most of the big spenders so yeah not really seeing where they are in trouble.  NYR is the one sitting out there with $19 mil in cap space somehow, with really only Del Zotto to sign as far as players of significance. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Tocchet coming up on the fan590 to discuss Schenn and JVR...

 

[maplesyrup]

... Didn't say anything new really. Closed by saying he thinks JVR can be a 35 goal scorer for the next 10 years. Um, that would be swell. 

 

[Brian Glennie]

What's really alarming about this whole thing is that Burke actually added salary, and somehow we're one of the worst teams in the league with very little room to maneuver under the cap.

$12 million in cap space according to Cap Geek, not too shabby. Plus the Leafs have a lot of flexibility after this year. The should come out of this season and the new CBA in great shape.

Leafs have as much or more cap room than most of the big spenders so yeah not really seeing where they are in trouble.  NYR is the one sitting out there with $19 mil in cap space somehow, with really only Del Zotto to sign as far as players of significance.

The cap room exists because the the team's first-line centre only takes up $1.5m. Spending only $1.8m on goaltending is also a factor. You get what you pay for, I guess.

 

[Omallley]

I'll admit this upfront: While I wasn't blown away by Schenn's play last year, I certainly wouldn't count myself among those who was in the "trade him now for the love of all that is holy" camp.

I'm not sure what to think of this one. On one hand, we're dealing from a position of surplus to one of need. On the other hand, we're replacing a young guy who wasn't living up to his perceived potential with another young guy who wasn't living up to his perceived potential. JVR's contract is rough - too much money over too many years, so it is a bit of a gamble. If he tops out as a 20 goal/40 point kind of guy, forget about the asset that was lost getting him here - having that contract on the books will be the worst part of the trade...

Granted, big forwards tend to take time to put everything together and be consistent, so there is certainly some hope that this can happen for him over the next couple seasons.

At the end of the day though, I do feel like JVR would provide more value to the team if he reaches his potential versus Schenn. But I still think this is more of a lateral move than anything - we do remove some logjam at D, we do get more size up front, but we get a guy who in my mind has been equally disappointing as Schenn at a higher cap hit. 

 

[anton girdeaux]

I'll admit this upfront: While I wasn't blown away by Schenn's play last year, I certainly wouldn't count myself among those who was in the "trade him now for the love of all that is holy" camp.

I'm not sure what to think of this one. On one hand, we're dealing from a position of surplus to one of need. On the other hand, we're replacing a young guy who wasn't living up to his perceived potential with another young guy who wasn't living up to his perceived potential. JVR's contract is rough - too much money over too many years, so it is a bit of a gamble. If he tops out as a 20 goal/40 point kind of guy, forget about the asset that was lost getting him here - having that contract on the books will be the worst part of the trade...

Granted, big forwards tend to take time to put everything together and be consistent, so there is certainly some hope that this can happen for him over the next couple seasons.

At the end of the day though, I do feel like JVR would provide more value to the team if he reaches his potential versus Schenn. But I still think this is more of a lateral move than anything - we do remove some logjam at D, we do get more size up front, but we get a guy who in my mind has been equally disappointing as Schenn at a higher cap hit.

I think that's pretty much how I sum up the trade; it didn't blow me away & didn't have the "wow" factor but I like the fact that JVR has more upside than Schenn.

 

[nutman]

Well I think i'm on the fence with this trade, but with all the defence we have waiting in the wings we could afford this move. JVR will be a very good piece of the puzzle moving forward, but I cant help thinking this will be a small move compaired to what comes next.