Official meeting place of the Kadri Cadre

[ZBBM]

I think the first 3 playoff games are another step in the education of Kadri.  He looked Hart-worthy for a short burst this season and then has pretty much disappeared.  In G1 against BOS he tried a couple of dangle moves that got eaten up.  Not so much in G2 and G3 but he is finding out there's even less space in the playoffs.  He just needs to learn to adjust to that.

 

[Stickytape]

I think the first 3 playoff games are another step in the education of Kadri.  He looked Hart-worthy for a short burst this season and then has pretty much disappeared.  In G1 against BOS he tried a couple of dangle moves that got eaten up.  Not so much in G2 and G3 but he is finding out there's even less space in the playoffs.  He just needs to learn to adjust to that.

Agreed.  I'm confident that he'll adjust; he has developed so much already that I believe in his ability to think and evolve as a player.  Right now I think he's relying too much on playmaking with puck possession (which is an uphill battle against a team like Boston, nevermind in the playoffs) and maybe not enough on getting himself in the right place at the right time the way a guy like Lupul does. 

The same goes for Grabbo, really; good speed and fancy moves, but you rarely see these guys at the net getting rebounds and second chances.

Kadri made a couple nice defensive plays last night and always plays hard.  He'll figure it out.

 

[Zee]

Hope so, we need some #TheDream hashtags after game 4.

 

[L K]

Personally I don't think he's been that bad.  He's not producing but aside from a handful of ill-advised dangle plays and one bad pass that really was more of a desperation play he really hasn't been a liability on the ice.  He's backchecked a few times to take out his man and has throw a few decent hits.  He's not getting a tonne offensively that needs to change a bit but he's not been a massive liability.

 

[ZBBM]

I think the first 3 playoff games are another step in the education of Kadri.  He looked Hart-worthy for a short burst this season and then has pretty much disappeared.  In G1 against BOS he tried a couple of dangle moves that got eaten up.  Not so much in G2 and G3 but he is finding out there's even less space in the playoffs.  He just needs to learn to adjust to that.

And, as Siegel points out, learn to pick his spots:

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=422666

 

[Zee]

I think the first 3 playoff games are another step in the education of Kadri.  He looked Hart-worthy for a short burst this season and then has pretty much disappeared.  In G1 against BOS he tried a couple of dangle moves that got eaten up.  Not so much in G2 and G3 but he is finding out there's even less space in the playoffs.  He just needs to learn to adjust to that.

And, as Siegel points out, learn to pick his spots:

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=422666

I miss the Kadri-Lupul show from that 4 point night in Ottawa.  Let's hope we see some of that magic again tonight.

 

[nutman]

This guy needs to step it up tonight, we need his goals.

 

[nutman]

Nice job, but I want another gear tonight.

 

[Zee]

Kadri has been relatively quiet besides last night.  Would be nice to see a Kadrian performance tonight where all the Leafs are tweeting #TheDream after the game.  Kadri, Lupul, Kessel, JVR...we have the firepower to win this thing, let's hope they can get it done.

 

[hap_leaf]

Kadri seems to be getting a bit anxious for the season and to be getting his contract settled.
As the days go on, it could be perceived by him that the Leafs are not giving him the respect he is due. 
At this point it sort of plays into management's advantage to make him squirm.  But they could have wrapped this up at the time they paid Orr and allowed Nazim to have a relaxed lead-up to training camp.  Instead it has come to this and I'd prefer that Kadri begin to feel that he is valued, not like he is a last moment decision based on whether there is enough money left after everyone else is signed.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

They wouldn't want him to start feeling to good about himself.

 

[drummond]

I will never understand why Nonis started signing his players with Orr, MacLaren etc. and left his best player to be the last one to be signed. While Orr is easily replacable, Kadri is not. The Leafs badly need Kadri to repeate his last season offensive outburst, dragging his contract negotiations til September is hardly the way how to get him mentally focused and ready. I am really glad we have 3:15-minutes-per-game-guys secured and comfortable. Way to go Nonis.

I know that he thought he would be able to trade Liles but as any GM he was supposed to have covered all angles . The whole Kadri/Franson situation is not good and most probably ends with Kadri signing and letting Franson go unless miracle happens.

 

[bustaheims]

I will never understand why Nonis started signing his players with Orr, MacLaren etc. and left his best player to be the last one to be signed. While Orr is easily replacable, Kadri is not.

Firstly, the Leafs are hardly the only team with prominent, important RFAs left to sign. I mean, don't you think that getting Pieterangelo under contract was the top priority for the Blues this summer, and, yet, here we are and he's not signed either and St Louis has made other moves. Buffalo hasn't signed Hodgson yet, either. Same with the Sens and Cowan, Devils and Henrique, Rangers and Stepan, etc. That's just business. Secondly, it wasn't that Nonis started with anyone in particular. Negotiations with all the free agents the team wanted to retain started at the same time - when the season ended. In some cases, like Orr and McLaren, the negotiations were short and easy, and that's why the contracts were done so early in the process. In cases like Kadri and Franson, the negotiations are more complex and are taking longer because there's more ground to cover. We're talking multi-year deals instead of single season deals. Multi-million dollar contracts instead of $925K or less contracts.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Probably because Orr and McLaren said yes to those contracts before Nonis finished the words.

 

[bustaheims]

Probably because Orr and McLaren said yes to those contracts before Nonis finished the words.

Pretty much. The entirety of those contract negotiations were probably contained in a handful of brief emails. The most time that went into any one aspect of them was drafting the press releases.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Probably because Orr and McLaren said yes to those contracts before Nonis finished the words.

Orr would have probably gotten 4 years if he wasn't so damn anxious.

 

[Kin]

I will never understand why Nonis started signing his players with Orr, MacLaren etc. and left his best player to be the last one to be signed. While Orr is easily replacable, Kadri is not.

Firstly, the Leafs are hardly the only team with prominent, important RFAs left to sign. I mean, don't you think that getting Pieterangelo under contract was the top priority for the Blues this summer, and, yet, here we are and he's not signed either and St Louis has made other moves. Buffalo hasn't signed Hodgson yet, either. Same with the Sens and Cowan, Devils and Henrique, Rangers and Stepan, etc. That's just business. Secondly, it wasn't that Nonis started with anyone in particular. Negotiations with all the free agents the team wanted to retain started at the same time - when the season ended. In some cases, like Orr and McLaren, the negotiations were short and easy, and that's why the contracts were done so early in the process. In cases like Kadri and Franson, the negotiations are more complex and are taking longer because there's more ground to cover. We're talking multi-year deals instead of single season deals. Multi-million dollar contracts instead of $925K or less contracts.

And building off that there's just the fundamental difference between signing UFA's and signing RFA's. Because it seems pretty apparent that the RFA "market" is as dead as it always is there's really genuinely no reason to sign RFA's right away regardless of a team's cap situation. Even if you've identified Kadri and Franson as players who are important pieces going forward a team will want to play the negotiations out to get them at the best price available.

Choosing to sign UFA's before that, even if they're much lesser players, doesn't indicate anything about priorities just that "waiting them out" isn't really an option.

 

[Highlander]

In high powered negotiations the longer you hold someone at arms length the stronger your power is and the weaker the recipient is (namely Kadri). Hockey is a game and so is negotiation, so be a big boy and wait for your mega contract, it is coming me son

 

[mr grieves]

I will never understand why Nonis started signing his players with Orr, MacLaren etc. and left his best player to be the last one to be signed. While Orr is easily replacable, Kadri is not.

Firstly, the Leafs are hardly the only team with prominent, important RFAs left to sign. I mean, don't you think that getting Pieterangelo under contract was the top priority for the Blues this summer, and, yet, here we are and he's not signed either and St Louis has made other moves. Buffalo hasn't signed Hodgson yet, either. Same with the Sens and Cowan, Devils and Henrique, Rangers and Stepan, etc. That's just business. Secondly, it wasn't that Nonis started with anyone in particular. Negotiations with all the free agents the team wanted to retain started at the same time - when the season ended. In some cases, like Orr and McLaren, the negotiations were short and easy, and that's why the contracts were done so early in the process. In cases like Kadri and Franson, the negotiations are more complex and are taking longer because there's more ground to cover. We're talking multi-year deals instead of single season deals. Multi-million dollar contracts instead of $925K or less contracts.

Agreed, mostly. Not sweating the long negotiations with RFAs -- that's standard -- just how they'll eventually fit in the remaining cap space.

But how simple the Orr and McLaren contracts were explains why they were signed as quickly as they were. It's not an explanation for why a waiver wire pick-up and former AHL cast off were signed to extensions in the first place. Those are players you find for nothing in August or November. It's only a few hundred thousand dollars difference, but, until Franson and Kadri are under contract, folks are going to wonder whether those dollars are in a very productive place.

 

[Hampreacher]

It is a wait and see time. Leafs want to get a contract in line with their value and players want to get the best deal. Both want to be in Toronto and leafs want both. Once this happens then the other cards will fall as far as cap issues go.