Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[McPwnage]

Honestly I was really impressed with Carlyle's first game but it made me realize just how bad of a coach Wilson was.  Things like actively talking to your players during the game and actually addressing them after a game (something I just assumed Ron Wilson did because I thought it was the coach's job) shouldn't be impressive.  Matching lines and playing solid defence shouldn't be impressive but it is when you are used to Wilson. 

 

[Zee]

Good start. If they manage to play like this and win against Boston I'm on the playoff is doable bandwagon...

If the Leafs can beat Boston I'm on the "thank the lord it's about time" bandwagon.

 

[showmethemoneyman]

Obviously pleased Wilson is gone. glad Eakins is where he is , coaching the baby Buds to the Calder Cup.
i like carlyle?s style and his pedigree  is impeccable.
My one reservation is his philosophy on 3rd line players being blue collar workers. I think the game has changed and you need more of a 2 way player on the 3rd line , you need some offence.  Having said that I like the move of kulemin on the 3rd line. kulie is a  great 2 way player.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Things like...actually addressing them after a game (something I just assumed Ron Wilson did because I thought it was the coach's job) shouldn't be impressive.

According to Siegel, Pat Quinn wouldn't address the team after games either.

One notable and immediate difference between Wilson and Carlyle was the latter's decision to speak with the team afterward. "I always do," Carlyle said. "I want them to leave the rink [and] know how I felt about their performance." Schooled under Pat Quinn ? who operated in a similar manner ? Wilson rarely if ever addressed his team following a game, win or lose. Said Frattin of Carlyle's message post-game, "He thought we played a pretty good game, but we've just got to get back at practice and start working on our systems."

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=389452

 

[nutman]

Good start. If they manage to play like this and win against Boston I'm on the playoff is doable bandwagon...

If the Leafs can beat Boston I'm on the "thank the lord it's about time" bandwagon.

And i'll drive.  8)        Note to mods # why not change the post name to "the Coach" it would be a bit more classy then fire Carlyle.....

 

[Mack674]

The Coach is nice.
I'm partial to "Big Randy" personally.

 

[Swede]

Where are the people monitoring this site?

edited for profanity

 

[Pucken Chronic]

I'm not sure how, for what or why but I blame Wilson, Larry Murphy, Ballard, Frasier, and JFJ.

 

[Edeagle]

shaky start .. strong finish, same old leafs.. That game could have went either way, we're lucky Montreal is last place. I'll give Carlyle at least 3 more games before I start calling for his head though... hopefully we go on a crazy win streak!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Where are the people monitoring this site?

edited for profanity

If this is in regards to the thread title, nobody seemed to mind when it was made up for Wilson. It addresses the two opposite opinions a Maple Leafs fan often has of a coach/player/prospect/GM, while being just a little bit funny. So yeah, no problems here about that. If this was concerning something else or you're still upset, please send a PM to a mod.

Also, please don't use profanity on the site. It doesn't matter if you don't include the last 3 letters, everybody knows what it means.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

yeah ..i think any team's fans could name the coaching thread accordingly ..

 

[Tigger]

shaky start .. strong finish, same old leafs.. That game could have went either way, we're lucky Montreal is last place. I'll give Carlyle at least 3 more games before I start calling for his head though... hopefully we go on a crazy win streak!

3 games? You're way to generous.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

shaky start .. strong finish, same old leafs.. That game could have went either way, we're lucky Montreal is last place. I'll give Carlyle at least 3 more games before I start calling for his head though... hopefully we go on a crazy win streak!

3 games? You're way to generous.

especially since the three games are boston, pittsburgh and philly

 

[nutman]

aww.... not changed yet... the name is too neg and thats not what we need. if you dont like coach how about "Carlyle"  haveing fire Randy is just too neg.

like the Burke thread it would be a go spot to talk about the coach.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

okay, I changed the last few but I don't have all day to sit here and change the subject line for every post in this thread. If it's so damned important to change it, change it yourself when you're replying. That way, it will reflect that from there forward.

 

[Zee]

Hilarious hearing and reading about how Carlyle put the Leafs through a "normal" practice and they were all dead tired and sucking wind at the end. 

"Hey coach, why can't we play dodgeball in practice like we used to, this stuff is hard!"

;D ;D

 

[princedpw]

Hilarious hearing and reading about how Carlyle put the Leafs through a "normal" practice and they were all dead tired and sucking wind at the end. 

"Hey coach, why can't we play dodgeball in practice like we used to, this stuff is hard!"

;D ;D

There is also this from the Toronto Star:

But what?s far less flattering to Wilson?s legacy is that it took all of one game for his successor to pinpoint his team?s most fixable weakness. The way Carlyle appears to see it, the Leafs, along with being out of the playoff picture, are also out of shape. It?s as indefensible as it?s true.

I'm skeptical.  Maurice said it when he arrived.  Wilson said it when he arrived.  And now Carlyle (or the media) are saying it when he arrived.

Every time a new coach arrives, they claim they need the players to get in to better shape.  On the one hand, I'm sure it's true:  the better the players conditioning, the harder and more continuously they can press the attack.  On the other hand, all decent coaches know this and all decent coaches want their team to be in good shape.  It isn't the case that Wilson, whatever faults he might have had, wasn't aware that good conditioning was a helpful component of team success.

 

[Zee]

Hilarious hearing and reading about how Carlyle put the Leafs through a "normal" practice and they were all dead tired and sucking wind at the end. 

"Hey coach, why can't we play dodgeball in practice like we used to, this stuff is hard!"

;D ;D

There is also this from the Toronto Star:

But what?s far less flattering to Wilson?s legacy is that it took all of one game for his successor to pinpoint his team?s most fixable weakness. The way Carlyle appears to see it, the Leafs, along with being out of the playoff picture, are also out of shape. It?s as indefensible as it?s true.

I'm skeptical.  Maurice said it when he arrived.  Wilson said it when he arrived.  And now Carlyle (or the media) are saying it when he arrived.

Every time a new coach arrives, they claim they need the players to get in to better shape.  On the one hand, I'm sure it's true:  the better the players conditioning, the harder and more continuously they can press the attack.  On the other hand, all decent coaches know this and all decent coaches want their team to be in good shape.  It isn't the case that Wilson, whatever faults he might have had, wasn't aware that good conditioning was a helpful component of team success.

I seem to recall outsiders (most notably Gary Roberts) commenting on certain player's conditioning programs, most notably Luke Schenn and saying they weren't approaching it correctly for the type of player he is.  It's been around for awhile now and I subscribe to the "where's there's smoke there's probably fire" mentality. 

 

[L K]

Hilarious hearing and reading about how Carlyle put the Leafs through a "normal" practice and they were all dead tired and sucking wind at the end. 

"Hey coach, why can't we play dodgeball in practice like we used to, this stuff is hard!"

;D ;D

There is also this from the Toronto Star:

But what?s far less flattering to Wilson?s legacy is that it took all of one game for his successor to pinpoint his team?s most fixable weakness. The way Carlyle appears to see it, the Leafs, along with being out of the playoff picture, are also out of shape. It?s as indefensible as it?s true.

I'm skeptical.  Maurice said it when he arrived.  Wilson said it when he arrived.  And now Carlyle (or the media) are saying it when he arrived.

Every time a new coach arrives, they claim they need the players to get in to better shape.  On the one hand, I'm sure it's true:  the better the players conditioning, the harder and more continuously they can press the attack.  On the other hand, all decent coaches know this and all decent coaches want their team to be in good shape.  It isn't the case that Wilson, whatever faults he might have had, wasn't aware that good conditioning was a helpful component of team success.

I seem to recall outsiders (most notably Gary Roberts) commenting on certain player's conditioning programs, most notably Luke Schenn and saying they weren't approaching it correctly for the type of player he is.  It's been around for awhile now and I subscribe to the "where's there's smoke there's probably fire" mentality.

Roberts was also making the comments as a guy who was very clearly pissed off at the Leafs for not handing him/Nieuwendyk 300 million dollar contracts.  It was a biased opinion a little bit where he was taking stabs at the training staff of an organization that kissed his butt until the lockout.

 

[Corn Flake]

I'm skeptical.  Maurice said it when he arrived.  Wilson said it when he arrived.  And now Carlyle (or the media) are saying it when he arrived.

Every time a new coach arrives, they claim they need the players to get in to better shape.  On the one hand, I'm sure it's true:  the better the players conditioning, the harder and more continuously they can press the attack.  On the other hand, all decent coaches know this and all decent coaches want their team to be in good shape.  It isn't the case that Wilson, whatever faults he might have had, wasn't aware that good conditioning was a helpful component of team success.

It seems like Wilson may have been really letting up on the guys, thinking they were tired when in actual fact they weren't as in shape as their opponents due to too much time off.  I can see many coaches letting up at the end either because they think it is what the team needs or to keep the team from tuning them out.  A very repeatable pattern I could see happening from coach to coach.