Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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dappleganger
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moon111 said:
Except, you know, Kadri played a full season last year. Half in the AHL half in the NHL after the lockout ended.
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losveratos
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L K said:
But these are the same people that think Bozak is terrible isn't it? :
Andy007
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losveratos said:L K said:
But these are the same people that think Bozak is terrible isn't it? :
Why is everything so black and white to some people? No one says Bozak is terrible; they say he isn't a 1st line calibre centre who deserves to get #1 minutes and #1 PP minutes. The point is that a struggling and maligned Kadri is still scoring at the same pace as Carlyle's golden boy and ipsofacto #1 centre.
GhostofPotvin29
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losveratos said:L K said:
But these are the same people that think Bozak is terrible isn't it? :
This is discussing Kadri in the context of being a 2nd line C (and lately Carlyle has been using them almost as a 3rd line) where 51 points is perfectly fine production. When you're a 1st line C with better offensive linemates, the expectations are a little higher.
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losveratos said:L K said:
But these are the same people that think Bozak is terrible isn't it? :
Bozak isn't terrible. Kadri isn't terrible. One gets criticized for being the constant #1 center. The other has a thread where people are trying to ship him out as a lost cause.
My criticism of Bozak is certainly not in relation to his last few games (although he was rather ordinary last night). When the team is struggling though, it is just the constantcy that I don't understand. The 1st line was the only line immune to roster juggling.
Kadri's overall play this year has been very inconsistent and his audition on the top line was not great. Last year though, Grabovski and Kadri were the ones entitled to Carlyle's "wrath" when the team wasn't playing well. Even though Bozak was playing as the afterthought behind a much faster pair in JVR/Kessel.
Right now, if I had to criticize someone on the top line it would be JVR in fact. He's gone completely AWOL.
Redleaf
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nutman said:
There's certainly some lingering questions about the decision-making process here. I'd also add the fact that Bernier should have been pulled last night after that 2nd stinker he let in. Or, at the very least, the 3rd goal that make it 3-0 when all could see he wasn't playing well at all.
I can't help but wonder if there is something else at work here. Perhaps a trade the Leafs have on the front burner for Reimer, but want to make absolutely sure Bernier can handle the lions share of games before they agree to the deal? If that's the case, I'd guess any deal they were considering is now on permanent hold.
Stickytape
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RedLeaf said:
Came here to post exactly this. Get out of my brain, RedLeaf.
moon111
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This year:L K said:
In 599 minutes, Kadri has been on the ice for 22 even strength goals for. 33 against.
In 327 minutes, Bozak has been on the ice for 22 even strength goals for. 16 against.
I honestly think Bozak is a perfect 2nd line center. Kadri's skill are good enough to get by in the NHL and have a career. But his offense isn't good enough to win, and if he's to be a winner, he needs to smarten up and learn the rest of the game. Yzerman was a -58 in his first three seasons. Yes Detroit was bad, but Steve Y became a better player. A champion. Kadri is pouting like Grabovski. He's going through the motions waiting for the trade. I have a feeling that at every turn, Kadri is frustrating the Leafs attempts to develop him.
GhostofPotvin29
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What are you talking about? Stevie Y "became" a champion? Awfully coincidental that he didn't "become" a champion when the team wasn't very good and "became" a champion when the team got better.
When did Kadri pout? When did Grabovski pout?
When did Kadri pout? When did Grabovski pout?
Bullfrog
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I honestly can't figure out how Carlyle still has his job. Assuming he'll get canned in the summer, what is the benefit of waiting until then? Is it just a lack of a suitable replacement? Have shootout wins really been his saving grace?
I would really love to be a fly-on-the-wall for conversations between Nonis and upper management right now. What is their justification for doing nothing?
I have to assume they're fully aware of the issues and have a strategy in place. Maybe that strategy includes, wait it out and see what happens this year, but I couldn't understand why if that's the case.
I would really love to be a fly-on-the-wall for conversations between Nonis and upper management right now. What is their justification for doing nothing?
I have to assume they're fully aware of the issues and have a strategy in place. Maybe that strategy includes, wait it out and see what happens this year, but I couldn't understand why if that's the case.
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Bullfrog said:
It truly is mind boggling. We can talk all we want about playoff spots but this team is barely over the bubble and has been drastically outplayed in almost every game. A combined .925 save % from the goalies would have had Wilson and Maurice's teams near the top of the league and easily at the top of the East.
GhostofPotvin29
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Bullfrog said:
Truly selfless of him to realize that despite his 6 straight 100-point seasons he wasn't really a "champion" on the ice.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
I just don't think Nonis likes to make this kind of move in season - or, at the very least, while the team is still holding on to a playoff spot. I also don't think he wanted to make the move during 24/7. That's somewhat understandable, even if it's a poor strategy. That being said, if the team continues down its current path, I can't imagine he won't feel like he's forced to make a coaching change after the Olympic break.
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bustaheims said:
And it's REALLY poor when you consider the quantum leap in goaltending calibre from those seasons compared to this one.
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