louisstamos
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TBLeafer said:Go ahead then and ask a Japanese Jap if he is offended.
I work with one. I asked her. She said she would be offended. Undertones of the term and all that.
Case closed?
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TBLeafer said:Go ahead then and ask a Japanese Jap if he is offended.
Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
TBLeafer said:And yet nobody blinked when I said Horsey Highway, despite of the fact that some horses may have been offended.
TBLeafer said:And yet nobody blinked when I said Horsey Highway, despite of the fact that some horses may have been offended.
TBLeafer said:And yet nobody blinked when I said Horsey Highway, despite of the fact that some horses may have been offended.
TBLeafer said:Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
Yes that or what was once considered offensive because it was meant to be offensive in WWII is no longer meant to be taken or construed as such because in today's society, it is NOT derogatory, nor is it used as such. I can see someone like a aged Ambassador, with some sort of strong emotional connection to WWII being offended.
I can't see anyone being 2+ generations removed from it being the same.
And if none of you here have a Japanese backgound, there was ZERO need to even make this a thing.
louisstamos said:TBLeafer said:Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
Yes that or what was once considered offensive because it was meant to be offensive in WWII is no longer meant to be taken or construed as such because in today's society, it is NOT derogatory, nor is it used as such. I can see someone like a aged Ambassador, with some sort of strong emotional connection to WWII being offended.
I can't see anyone being 2+ generations removed from it being the same.
And if none of you here have a Japanese backgound, there was ZERO need to even make this a thing.
I know what you're trying to say - South Park did an episode recently discussing a derogatory term for homosexual, and how definition of words should be "fluid" (i.e: it didn't always mean that term, and now it's used more so to mean "stupid" than any reference to a homosexual), but you have to understand where they're coming from, and what it feels like for them to hear derogatory words like that. I just asked my Japanese colleague if the term was used, even in a non-aggressive way to refer to Japanese people, how it would make her feel, and she said offended, because of a) the history of the term, b) even in passing, it seems like an attempt to belittle/minimize them. "Oh, those people..."
Also - there may be people on this board of Japanese background; it certainly wouldn't surprise me. But offensive terms are offensive terms. Even if there wasn't a black person on this board (there definitely are), we shouldn't be tossing around the "N" word since it wouldn't directly affect us.
I'm a freedom of speech guy, so you can say what you want and try and rationalize it all you can. But if you say racist things, people will call you out on it.
TBLeafer said:louisstamos said:TBLeafer said:Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
Yes that or what was once considered offensive because it was meant to be offensive in WWII is no longer meant to be taken or construed as such because in today's society, it is NOT derogatory, nor is it used as such. I can see someone like a aged Ambassador, with some sort of strong emotional connection to WWII being offended.
I can't see anyone being 2+ generations removed from it being the same.
And if none of you here have a Japanese backgound, there was ZERO need to even make this a thing.
I know what you're trying to say - South Park did an episode recently discussing a derogatory term for homosexual, and how definition of words should be "fluid" (i.e: it didn't always mean that term, and now it's used more so to mean "stupid" than any reference to a homosexual), but you have to understand where they're coming from, and what it feels like for them to hear derogatory words like that. I just asked my Japanese colleague if the term was used, even in a non-aggressive way to refer to Japanese people, how it would make her feel, and she said offended, because of a) the history of the term, b) even in passing, it seems like an attempt to belittle/minimize them. "Oh, those people..."
Also - there may be people on this board of Japanese background; it certainly wouldn't surprise me. But offensive terms are offensive terms. Even if there wasn't a black person on this board (there definitely are), we shouldn't be tossing around the "N" word since it wouldn't directly affect us.
I'm a freedom of speech guy, so you can say what you want and try and rationalize it all you can. But if you say racist things, people will call you out on it.
Thanks for finally being the one to discuss it civilly, not just being an eye roller and a face palmer (like I haven't seen/used those a million times myself).
I just refuse to walk around on eggshells and I'm the least racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic you'll actually ever meet.
I was identifying the region of which the car manufacturers that created the cars were located. That's it, that's all.
What followed after simply boggles my mind.
TimKerr said:TBLeafer said:louisstamos said:TBLeafer said:Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
Yes that or what was once considered offensive because it was meant to be offensive in WWII is no longer meant to be taken or construed as such because in today's society, it is NOT derogatory, nor is it used as such. I can see someone like a aged Ambassador, with some sort of strong emotional connection to WWII being offended.
I can't see anyone being 2+ generations removed from it being the same.
And if none of you here have a Japanese backgound, there was ZERO need to even make this a thing.
I know what you're trying to say - South Park did an episode recently discussing a derogatory term for homosexual, and how definition of words should be "fluid" (i.e: it didn't always mean that term, and now it's used more so to mean "stupid" than any reference to a homosexual), but you have to understand where they're coming from, and what it feels like for them to hear derogatory words like that. I just asked my Japanese colleague if the term was used, even in a non-aggressive way to refer to Japanese people, how it would make her feel, and she said offended, because of a) the history of the term, b) even in passing, it seems like an attempt to belittle/minimize them. "Oh, those people..."
Also - there may be people on this board of Japanese background; it certainly wouldn't surprise me. But offensive terms are offensive terms. Even if there wasn't a black person on this board (there definitely are), we shouldn't be tossing around the "N" word since it wouldn't directly affect us.
I'm a freedom of speech guy, so you can say what you want and try and rationalize it all you can. But if you say racist things, people will call you out on it.
Thanks for finally being the one to discuss it civilly, not just being an eye roller and a face palmer (like I haven't seen/used those a million times myself).
I just refuse to walk around on eggshells and I'm the least racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic you'll actually ever meet.
I was identifying the region of which the car manufacturers that created the cars were located. That's it, that's all.
What followed after simply boggles my mind.
Just to be clear we can refer to all Italian cars as w@p cars and all German cars as Kr@ut cars correct? Just want to make sure I'm following your impenetrable logic.
TBLeafer said:What followed after simply boggles my mind.
TBLeafer said:Even though I'm Canadian, my Dad's family's heritage is Polish. Feel free to call me a dumb Polak anytime. I won't be offended.
What I don't get is how people get offended on behalf of people, when it doesn't actually affect them personally one iota.
Jaw dropped, hand over mouthed, finger pointing, gasping, holier than though "he just said THAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!" instead of asking for clarification.
And nobody, not once, asked me what I actually thought of Japan and Japanese people.
TBLeafer said:I just refuse to walk around on eggshells and I'm the least racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic you'll actually ever meet.
TBLeafer said:louisstamos said:TBLeafer said:Nik the Trik said:Yes, it seems pretty clear that you should listen to the people of Australia on what is offensive to Japanese people instead of a Japanese person who has been hired by the Japanese government to represent them internationally.
As someone who actually lived in Australia I can say that they are not a nation anyone should look to for cues on racial sensitivity.
Yes that or what was once considered offensive because it was meant to be offensive in WWII is no longer meant to be taken or construed as such because in today's society, it is NOT derogatory, nor is it used as such. I can see someone like a aged Ambassador, with some sort of strong emotional connection to WWII being offended.
I can't see anyone being 2+ generations removed from it being the same.
And if none of you here have a Japanese backgound, there was ZERO need to even make this a thing.
I know what you're trying to say - South Park did an episode recently discussing a derogatory term for homosexual, and how definition of words should be "fluid" (i.e: it didn't always mean that term, and now it's used more so to mean "stupid" than any reference to a homosexual), but you have to understand where they're coming from, and what it feels like for them to hear derogatory words like that. I just asked my Japanese colleague if the term was used, even in a non-aggressive way to refer to Japanese people, how it would make her feel, and she said offended, because of a) the history of the term, b) even in passing, it seems like an attempt to belittle/minimize them. "Oh, those people..."
Also - there may be people on this board of Japanese background; it certainly wouldn't surprise me. But offensive terms are offensive terms. Even if there wasn't a black person on this board (there definitely are), we shouldn't be tossing around the "N" word since it wouldn't directly affect us.
I'm a freedom of speech guy, so you can say what you want and try and rationalize it all you can. But if you say racist things, people will call you out on it.
Thanks for finally being the one to discuss it civilly, not just being an eye roller and a face palmer (like I haven't seen/used those a million times myself).
I just refuse to walk around on eggshells and I'm the least racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic you'll actually ever meet.
I was identifying the region of which the car manufacturers that created the cars were located. That's it, that's all.
What followed after simply boggles my mind.