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Trade deadline moves

I know I am probably going to get dissed for this, but here's a trade deadline move that no one would expect, but I think would make sense for the Leafs, if the Dallas Stars were to slump badly over the next few weeks and get surpassed by teams on their heels - Jason Spezza. Now hear me out, before you totally pan the idea.

1. He would be essentially a rental and the Leafs still have the cap space.
2. As a 4th line centre, he has size, good on face-offs and offensive talent, could slot into second line PP for some extra minutes.
3. Another hometown boy from Mississauga.
4. Turns 36 this summer, may not get another chance at a cup. Highly unlikely if he resigns with Dallas. This could be a great kick at the can for him.
5. Would probably drive Sens fans a bit crazy to see him lifting the cup in a Leafs uniform.
6. He could wear either 90 stars number, or even better 19, old sens number and former number of Paul Henderson, last Leafs to score a huge series winning goal. Spezza score cup winner for Leafs, haha. Also, 19 is reverse Tavares number, two added centres to secure cup.

I like to dream, but that would be pretty cool. If Stars were to drop out, the ask might be reasonable. But if they are in the heat of a playoff run, probably never happen with all the craziness that went on there this year. Oh well, just thought I toss this out there...
 
slapshot said:
I know I am probably going to get dissed for this, but here's a trade deadline move that no one would expect, but I think would make sense for the Leafs, if the Dallas Stars were to slump badly over the next few weeks and get surpassed by teams on their heels - Jason Spezza. Now hear me out, before you totally pan the idea.

1. He would be essentially a rental and the Leafs still have the cap space.
2. As a 4th line centre, he has size, good on face-offs and offensive talent, could slot into second line PP for some extra minutes.
3. Another hometown boy from Mississauga.
4. Turns 36 this summer, may not get another chance at a cup. Highly unlikely if he resigns with Dallas. This could be a great kick at the can for him.
5. Would probably drive Sens fans a bit crazy to see him lifting the cup in a Leafs uniform.
6. He could wear either 90 stars number, or even better 19, old sens number and former number of Paul Henderson, last Leafs to score a huge series winning goal. Spezza score cup winner for Leafs, haha. Also, 19 is reverse Tavares number, two added centres to secure cup.

I like to dream, but that would be pretty cool. If Stars were to drop out, the ask might be reasonable. But if they are in the heat of a playoff run, probably never happen with all the craziness that went on there this year. Oh well, just thought I toss this out there...

Who are you trading for him?
 
dekedastardly said:
Well AM34 is looking like an Alexandre Daigle these days and while clearly stacked up front, in the back end they are not. For how many more years should we have patience?

Just about every player from past to present has undergone some sort of a slump, be it minor or major, and Auston is no exception.

To suggest that his value to the team has diminished somewhat on account of this slump is silly, let alone ridiculous, to say the least.  And he is no Alexander Diagle neither nor in the making.  😒

Maybe some of us fans are too demanding of some of this extremely skilled young talent, to win the Cup after so long.  That is understandable up to a point, but what isn? t is for someone to demean the accomplishments in their quest for hockey?s holy grail, something that this franchise hasn?t been able to do, up until the organizational changes brought about all the wonderful ways we?re seeing the Leafs blossom to the point that they have.

Be positive! 🙂
 
hockeyfan1 said:
dekedastardly said:
Well AM34 is looking like an Alexandre Daigle these days and while clearly stacked up front, in the back end they are not. For how many more years should we have patience?

Just about every player from past to present has undergone some sort of a slump, be it minor or major, and Auston is no exception.

To suggest that his value to the team has diminished somewhat on account of this slump is silly, let alone ridiculous, to say the least.  And he is no Alexander Diagle neither nor in the making.  😒

Maybe some of us fans are too demanding of some of this extremely skilled young talent, to win the Cup after so long.  That is understandable up to a point, but what isn? t is for someone to demean the accomplishments in their quest for hockey?s holy grail, something that this franchise hasn?t been able to do, up until the organizational changes brought about all the wonderful ways we?re seeing the Leafs blossom to the point that they have.

Be positive! 🙂
I think we saw the real Matthews in the last game before the break, he was really into it. Nothing to worry about at all.
 
https://theathletic.com/753896/2019/01/07/nhl-trade-big-board-20-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

12. Timothy Liljegren, Maple Leafs: It would probably be more fun to put Kasperi Kapanen in this slot but there was a bit of cold water thrown on that idea when floated to a few sources.

One executive said he thought a Kapanen deal was more likely in the summer, if at all, citing the fact that Kapanen has shown an ability to score in the playoffs, something the Maple Leafs will value.

Instead, a source suggested the Maple Leafs might prefer to use Liljegren to make a significant move, in part because of the emergence of Rasmus Sandin.

?Sandin has done a good enough job to justify keeping him over Liljegren,? the source said.

The one consensus was that at some point, either now or in the summer, Toronto GM Kyle Dubas is very likely to move a young piece of the puzzle in Toronto.

?I don?t care what Kyle Dubas says, there?s no way they can keep them all,? said an executive.

This is from early in the new year. None of these people that are commenting to Craig Custance here are with the Leafs and they're all giving pretty myopic hockey takes.
 
herman said:
https://theathletic.com/753896/2019/01/07/nhl-trade-big-board-20-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

?Sandin has done a good enough job to justify keeping him over Liljegren,? the source said.

It's a shame teams are only allowed to keep one good defence prospect. They should really look into that in the next CBA.

Regardless though, as you said this was from earlier this year discussing what the Leafs would be willing to move to make a big trade. They made their big trade and for whatever reason Liljegren wasn't involved. I doubt there's another big trade coming up so he's not going anywhere for now.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://theathletic.com/753896/2019/01/07/nhl-trade-big-board-20-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/

?Sandin has done a good enough job to justify keeping him over Liljegren,? the source said.

It's a shame teams are only allowed to keep one good defence prospect. They should really look into that in the next CBA.

Regardless though, as you said this was from earlier this year discussing what the Leafs would be willing to move to make a big trade. They made their big trade and for whatever reason Liljegren wasn't involved. I doubt there's another big trade coming up so he's not going anywhere for now.

The same people wanting to dump Liljegren because Sandin seems to be really good are probably the same folk clamouring to trade Nylander because Kapanen scored 10ish goals in the first half (and because Nylander hurt their feelings).
 
I'm certainly not an advocate of trading Liljregren and as he's still a teenager there's certainly plenty of time for him to grow and develop but I do think that somewhere in the draft+2 or draft+3 point is where teams are going to look at their high round draft picks and re-evaluate them while that youth/draft stock still has some cache.

Especially in a case like Liljregren's where his draft stock was super high at one point and since the draft it's probably fair to say we've gotten more "Well, I can see why he fell" and less "Holy bejeesus, they passed on him?!?!?"
 
By all accounts tho, well according to Dubas, Lilypad was going to get a shot with the big club this year if he hadn't got hurt. Hey, he's less then a year, around 10 months, older then Sandin. He's still a kid playing in his 2nd year of the AHL. Sounds like he's coming along just fine. There are only 4, 2 drafted ahead of him, D men from his draft that have played over 20 games in the NHL.
 
https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-leafs-interested-in-red-wings-glendening-again-1.1254421

Well, we heard this last year. It scared the crap out of us. Nothing came out it. But here it is again.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-leafs-interested-in-red-wings-glendening-again-1.1254421

Well, we heard this last year. It scared the crap out of us. Nothing came out it. But here it is again.

Yeah. Unless Zaitsev is going the other way, don't see the Leafs adding a 4th liner with years left on his deal.

That being said, if Dubas can pull off something around Glendening+Jensen for Zaitsev+something, I might be on board.
 
bustaheims said:
That being said, if Dubas can pull off something around Glendening+Jensen for Zaitsev+something, I might be on board.

Yeah if Zaitsev/Jensen were involved that'd certainly change things. I'd still be trying to get Detroit to eat as much of Glendening's contract as possible. Or you know, just not include him and stick with a Zaitsev/Jensen swap haha.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah if Zaitsev/Jensen were involved that'd certainly change things. I'd still be trying to get Detroit to eat as much of Glendening's contract as possible. Or you know, just not include him and stick with a Zaitsev/Jensen swap haha.

Well, yeah, avoiding taking Glendening is clearly the preferable option, but, at least moving Zaitsev out in a deal that brings him in clears close to $3M in cap space going forward. I might even be able to get behind a straight Zaitsev for Glendening swap - but, that's the extent of it.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah if Zaitsev/Jensen were involved that'd certainly change things. I'd still be trying to get Detroit to eat as much of Glendening's contract as possible. Or you know, just not include him and stick with a Zaitsev/Jensen swap haha.

Well, yeah, avoiding taking Glendening is clearly the preferable option, but, at least moving Zaitsev out in a deal that brings him in clears close to $3M in cap space going forward. I might even be able to get behind a straight Zaitsev for Glendening swap - but, that's the extent of it.

Then trade player x  for Hamilton to replace the defensemen spot opened from Zaitsev?s departure.
 
As far as I can tell the Red Wings have absolutely no cap space right now so they couldn't take Zaitsev unless they trade similar salary to the Leafs
 
digdug said:
As far as I can tell the Red Wings have absolutely no cap space right now so they couldn't take Zaitsev unless they trade similar salary to the Leafs

They have ~$3M in space left for the season, thanks to having ~$10M in LTIR space. They can easily absorb Zaitsev's remaining cap cost for the season - especially since they're also likely to move out some of their more expensive pending UFAs.
 

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