2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
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Zee
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Haven't posted much at all since the losses to the covid-Canucks team. I pretty much gave up on this team then. I'll be around in the future, but not as often as normal and I won't bother with the chunk thread anymore. Don't need to waste anymore of my time on this team than necessary. Changes will come as usual, and the dance starts again all over next season. I won't be nearly as invested as I've been all my life. Have a great summer guys.
Guilt Trip
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Have a great summer Zee, cheers!Zee said:
Zee said:
Cheers, and I understand the disappointment.
To me, this is one of the reasons the Leafs need to have some success in the playoffs. I think the organization is starting to test the bounds of its fandom. Anger is good. Jubilation is good. Apathy though is a problem, because that means your fans have started to stop caring.
Zee
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Significantly Insignificant said:
They're going to lose a generation of fans. My teenage daughters have never seen the Leafs win a playoff round. I actually told my oldest not to bother with the Leafs, latch onto another team if she wanted cause it's nothing but disappointment being a Leafs fan. Fairly pathetic. They did everything right, sucked for years, got high picks with Rielly, Nylander, Kadri, Marner and Matthews, and still can't even win a playoff round when they're the heavy favorite.
Zee said:
Yeah, I need to do some active parenting today. I told my son that he was the reason that the Leafs aren't winning because they haven't won since he was born. That he was the jinx. Might have come off not in the jokey way that I meant it last night because of my frame of mind. I'll need to fix that I think.
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?I willlll rememmmbberr yoouuuu?
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Kin
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I wasn't sure where to put this but for all the justified handwringing about the loss to Montreal I have to say I'm way more concerned than the preponderance of people being like "This was our shot! Next year we're back with Tampa, Boston and Florida! Window closed"
Like, if you don't think the Leafs can compete with those teams, they weren't winning this year regardless of Montreal and a poop-ton more team-building needs to be done.
I tried saying this in the thread about the Foligno trade but people who thought this year was do or die because of the "easier" path were basically admitting the Leafs were a longshot this year and they needed that pick more than anyone was saying.
Like, if you don't think the Leafs can compete with those teams, they weren't winning this year regardless of Montreal and a poop-ton more team-building needs to be done.
I tried saying this in the thread about the Foligno trade but people who thought this year was do or die because of the "easier" path were basically admitting the Leafs were a longshot this year and they needed that pick more than anyone was saying.
Guilt Trip
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Totally agree with you here. I don't think the team is there yet. I also don't think they're that far away either. Lots of experts on social media today and it's amazing that they all have the answers. It should be an interesting off season to see what Dubas does with this group. I don't think he touches the core unless it's for a Seth Jones or Eichel kind of deal.Nik said:
Peter D.
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Nik said:
Yeah, I agree.
I understood the argument about this year being the easiest path. Because it was true. We just want to see the team back in the semis. But it was quite evident early on in the playoffs that even if the team made it past Montreal and Winnipeg, there was no way they would also beat (likely) Tampa and Colorado for the Cup.
As for Foligno. We wasted a 1st for Nick freakin' Foligno. I can *somewhat* buy the argument of going "all in" this season which was an "easier" path to the semis, as well as it being a weak draft year in which the scouts can barely watch these players live. But still...it's Nick freakin' Foligno!
Peter D. said:
So what if the Leafs took a step back and retooled? Maybe sell off guys like Muzzin, Kerfoot, and Rielly, try to recoup young assets, and miss the playoffs, but hopefully build a better base for two years down the road. I think they are hitched to Matthews, Marner, Tavares, and Nylander at this point, and it's really a question of what path you take to build around them. You can trade one of them, sure, but I really feel that just moves the problem. Let's say you hypothetically trade Marner for Seth Jones. You now might have a bit better defense, but you have taken away something from the offense so it feels like progress hasn't really been made.
Keefe et al need to be held highly accountable.
If the Leafs had an average powerplay the series was over in the Leafs favour.
Even if Malhotra is turfed, Keefe needs his knuckles rapped very hard. He could have demanded changes
but they just did not adapt - let alone adjust to what the Habs game plan was.
If the Leafs had an average powerplay the series was over in the Leafs favour.
Even if Malhotra is turfed, Keefe needs his knuckles rapped very hard. He could have demanded changes
but they just did not adapt - let alone adjust to what the Habs game plan was.
Keefe?s inexperience showed thru like a blinding light. Forget the idiocy of challenging that call which was outright ridiculous. There were so many areas of failure you have to start at late season.
How do you have a lame pp when what you need most in the playoffs is the ability to make teams pay for indiscretions. ?
During the series in game 5 when it was 2 -0 it was the opportune time to put Anderson in. See what you have 1 or 2 goalies ? Would not have made a difference if they?d have lost but it may have caused the leafs to tighten up and or Campbell to get motivated from the bench plus get a rest. Btw I thought Campbell as ok but was losing the puck too much and was lucky more than good.
Why didn?t he break up Mathews and Marner - at least for some time frame ?
Joe Thornton on this first pp. ? Huh ? And way too much ice as well. Maybe it would have made sense to sit him at least one game and bring in some fresh legs Brooks or Robertson ....what Harm I ask.
There were so many issues it?s hard to corral them all but the truth is the team wound up playing so tight in game 7 that it was the worst game of the year. No one wanted to make the big error so they did little and made a bunch of small errors all of which ended their playoffs.
Lots of blame to go round. Maybe dubas can start drafting hard nosed players or Trading for them when they?re 25-29 instead of all skill no brawn types through the lineup.
How do you have a lame pp when what you need most in the playoffs is the ability to make teams pay for indiscretions. ?
During the series in game 5 when it was 2 -0 it was the opportune time to put Anderson in. See what you have 1 or 2 goalies ? Would not have made a difference if they?d have lost but it may have caused the leafs to tighten up and or Campbell to get motivated from the bench plus get a rest. Btw I thought Campbell as ok but was losing the puck too much and was lucky more than good.
Why didn?t he break up Mathews and Marner - at least for some time frame ?
Joe Thornton on this first pp. ? Huh ? And way too much ice as well. Maybe it would have made sense to sit him at least one game and bring in some fresh legs Brooks or Robertson ....what Harm I ask.
There were so many issues it?s hard to corral them all but the truth is the team wound up playing so tight in game 7 that it was the worst game of the year. No one wanted to make the big error so they did little and made a bunch of small errors all of which ended their playoffs.
Lots of blame to go round. Maybe dubas can start drafting hard nosed players or Trading for them when they?re 25-29 instead of all skill no brawn types through the lineup.