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[maplesyrup]

Who knows... We might just trade the pick all together for an established player.

Jake Gardiner's NCAA dman partner might be available:
http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/3/12/2866036/schultz-watch-officially-begins
Some feel he's better than Jake - good oofensive dman. With the Anaheim connection, I could see Burke interested trying to cut the process off before he becomes a UFA if he doesn't want to sign with Anaheim or going after him if he elects UFA status. He's another dman Burke drafted.

A number feel he's NHL ready now though he'd probably go through a season like Jake has - with some rough patches. But it is a way for Burke to accelerate the retooling/rebuild without a complete mortgage for a older player because he's closer to being NHL ready.

The problem with this deal, if Burke trades, is that he'd be breaking in another inexperienced dman next season when he's under pressure to make the playoffs.  without the goaltending resolved, that could make next season a real challenge for Burke to survive.

If we're trading a pick in the 6-12 range, I might consider a goalie. No. Not another Raycroft situation but a goalie who might finally be our guy for several years.  - Hopefully.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Who knows... We might just trade the pick all together for an established player.

Jake Gardiner's NCAA dman partner might be available:
http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/3/12/2866036/schultz-watch-officially-begins
Some feel he's better than Jake - good oofensive dman. With the Anaheim connection, I could see Burke interested trying to cut the process off before he becomes a UFA if he doesn't want to sign with Anaheim or going after him if he elects UFA status. He's another dman Burke drafted.

A number feel he's NHL ready now though he'd probably go through a season like Jake has - with some rough patches. But it is a way for Burke to accelerate the retooling/rebuild without a complete mortgage for a older player because he's closer to being NHL ready.

The problem with this deal, if Burke trades, is that he'd be breaking in another inexperienced dman next season when he's under pressure to make the playoffs.  without the goaltending resolved, that could make next season a real challenge for Burke to survive.

If we're trading a pick in the 6-12 range, I might consider a goalie. No. Not another Raycroft situation but a goalie who might finally be our guy for several years.  - Hopefully.

Cory Schneider?

 

[maplesyrup]

That's who I'm thinking of.

 

[cw]

The concern I have with Schneider, who is a RFA this summer, is that he's 25. He's likely a UFA 2 summers from now. It's hard to imagine him hanging around Vancouver to be Luongo's backup when Luongo is signed to the end of his career - unless they can find someone willing to take on 32 yr old Luongo's $5.3 mil/yr contract for the 10 seasons after this.

I'd be cautious with what I'm willing to give up for Schneider right now unless they had some sort of indication he'd hang around.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What a coup it would be if we could get Schultz, hot damn!

 

[Britishbulldog]

Ducks and Habs both got a point last night.

Leafs still sitting to pick 7th, but they are just 3 points from the 4th pick and 3 points from the 3rd overall pick.

Probably end up 3rd overall so we miss out on the top 2 prizes.

24	Toronto	69	30	31	8	68	1-7-2	Lost 1
25	Minnesota	69	29	30	10	68	3-6-1	Lost 1
26	Carolina	69	26	28	15	67	4-2-4	Lost 1
27	NY Islanders	69	28	31	10	66	3-5-2	OT 1
28	Montreal	70	27	32	11	65	3-6-1	OT 1
29	Edmonton	69	26	36	7	59	3-6-1	Lost 1
30	Columbus	69	22	40	7	51	5-5-0	Lost 2

I could see Minnesota, Carolina and Montreal over taking the Leafs.

 

[Zee]

Ducks and Habs both got a point last night.

Leafs still sitting to pick 7th, but they are just 3 points from the 4th pick and 3 points from the 3rd overall pick.

Probably end up 3rd overall so we miss out on the top 2 prizes.

24	Toronto	69	30	31	8	68	1-7-2	Lost 1
25	Minnesota	69	29	30	10	68	3-6-1	Lost 1
26	Carolina	69	26	28	15	67	4-2-4	Lost 1
27	NY Islanders	69	28	31	10	66	3-5-2	OT 1
28	Montreal	70	27	32	11	65	3-6-1	OT 1
29	Edmonton	69	26	36	7	59	3-6-1	Lost 1
30	Columbus	69	22	40	7	51	5-5-0	Lost 2

I could see Minnesota, Carolina and Montreal over taking the Leafs.

We're quickly approaching that time of the year when the Leafs realize they're out of it and go on a run.  We could go 7-3 in the last 10 and wipe out any chance of a top 5 pick.

 

[maplesyrup]

Assuming we're @7 and Edmonton is @2, do you think one of our D (Schenn maybe) + 7 gets us 2? Underpayment? Too much?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Assuming we're @7 and Edmonton is @2, do you think one of our D (Schenn maybe) + 7 gets us 2? Underpayment? Too much?

No, I think if we're at #5 maybe.

I think to go from seven to one, we'd need to send a player and a second or another pick along with our first.

 

[Peter D.]

Assuming we're @7 and Edmonton is @2, do you think one of our D (Schenn maybe) + 7 gets us 2? Underpayment? Too much?

No, I think if we're at #5 maybe.

I think to go from seven to one, we'd need to send a player and a second or another pick along with our first.

I agree that a jump from 7th to 2nd is unlikely.

If anything, it's either what you presented above, or Burke has to pull off multiple deals; ie. 7th plus Schenn for 3rd/4th, then flip that pick and a 2nd or roster player for the 2nd overall pick.  What we would have to give up I'd assume is dependent on the team which holds the pick.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Assuming we're @7 and Edmonton is @2, do you think one of our D (Schenn maybe) + 7 gets us 2? Underpayment? Too much?

No, I think if we're at #5 maybe.

I think to go from seven to one, we'd need to send a player and a second or another pick along with our first.

I agree that a jump from 7th to 2nd is unlikely.

If anything, it's either what you presented above, or Burke has to pull off multiple deals; ie. 7th plus Schenn for 3rd/4th, then flip that pick and a 2nd or roster player for the 2nd overall pick.  What we would have to give up I'd assume is dependent on the team which holds the pick.

I'm assuming Edmonton is gonna go for Ryan Murray. If he can be had with the 4th overall (assuming the three russians go ahead of him) then if they have the 2nd overall they will consider trading to 4th overall. It's possible Leafs can trade up to 4th overall and do the swap there.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What a coup it would be if we could get Schultz, hot damn!

Seriously. He'd probably be the best UFA ever in his age group. If signed, he and whoever we draft would probably instantly become our two best prospects and finally give us those elite talents we've been missing.

I'm not really expecting Toronto to be a serious contender to sign him though if he does hit the market.

 

[Tigger]

What a coup it would be if we could get Schultz, hot damn!

Seriously. He'd probably be the best UFA ever in his age group. If signed, he and whoever we draft would probably instantly become our two best prospects and finally give us those elite talents we've been missing.

I'm not really expecting Toronto to be a serious contender to sign him though if he does hit the market.

It would be fantastic and maybe the Leafs have a go between salesman in Jake, hard to say how it would go if he doesn't sign with the Ducks.

 

[Bates]

It should be a no brainer for Shultz to sign right away in Anahiem.  He would pick up about $200K for the rest of year and burn a year of entry level deal making him a free agent after next season.  His max salary can only go up less than $100K for next year if he goes to free agency this summer so he would actually lose money by going that route. Unless of course he really doesn't want to play in Anahiem???

 

[Tigger]

It should be a no brainer for Shultz to sign right away in Anahiem.  He would pick up about $200K for the rest of year and burn a year of entry level deal making him a free agent after next season.  His max salary can only go up less than $100K for next year if he goes to free agency this summer so he would actually lose money by going that route. Unless of course he really doesn't want to play in Anahiem???

The last part seems to be the question, does he want to be there or not, if not, short term financial 'pain' seems fine ( different scenario but I'm reminded of Kyle Turris here )

 

[Bates]

I think the difference would be that Turris KNEW he would not fit the system that was being played in Phoenix and I doubt the system changes anytime soon.  I think Shultz will fit in quite fine in Anahiem but that doesn't mean he actually wants to go these?  Maybe he wants back in Canada, who knows.  The money side stays roughly the same whichever way he goes he can just get some money quicker by signing now.

 

[Tigger]

I think the difference would be that Turris KNEW he would not fit the system that was being played in Phoenix and I doubt the system changes anytime soon.  I think Shultz will fit in quite fine in Anahiem but that doesn't mean he actually wants to go these?  Maybe he wants back in Canada, who knows.  The money side stays roughly the same whichever way he goes he can just get some money quicker by signing now.

Yup, just more control of where he might want to go is all.

 

[Bates]

Not a bad position to be in really.  Only prob might be that he can't talk to other teams before free agency.  He could let the chance to play now and make cash go away and team he hoped for might not even be interested.  If it was me I would sign and play right away.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think the difference would be that Turris KNEW he would not fit the system that was being played in Phoenix and I doubt the system changes anytime soon.  I think Shultz will fit in quite fine in Anahiem but that doesn't mean he actually wants to go these?  Maybe he wants back in Canada, who knows.  The money side stays roughly the same whichever way he goes he can just get some money quicker by signing now.

Yup, just more control of where he might want to go is all.

Yeah I mean it'd be nice to see loyalty and all that for the team that drafted you, but I'd have a hard time faulting a player in his position to resist the temptation of being a UFA at that age and starting your NHL career with a team that you pick instead of the other way around.

 

[Tigger]

Not a bad position to be in really.  Only prob might be that he can't talk to other teams before free agency.  He could let the chance to play now and make cash go away and team he hoped for might not even be interested.  If it was me I would sign and play right away.

Well, I might too but then like Carlton said you can see the temptation, and no player can talk to teams before they're unrestricted barring a trade of rights ( is that an option for Anaheim? ).

He seems like a prize free agent so I'm not sure he'll get boxed out considering the cost, and if the difference is total confidence in your choice versus a bit of cash, well...